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Colleen Skadl
07/05/1996 00:00:000 UTC
oh wow virtual log.

this is coll for those of you who don't know me i was v.p of

the forum in 1993 and organized the 25th anniversary party.

i have been asst. librarian for four years and was gaming club

pres for almost three years. i guess i'm what you'd consider a

new forumite although i've been hanging out down here since 1990

when kerry (my sister) started here as a freshman. in the time that i've

been actively involved with the forum i have had the opportunity

to meet and work with many generations of forumites.

it always kind of upsets me to hear people slamming the forum,

especially members. what i've noticed is that a flame will

often contain the phrase "i haven't been around in a while but..."

and then goes on to relay rumors and mistruths about the organization.

it would be really cool if the people who had complaints with the

organization would come here check us out and see if we're really

as bad as all that the rumors imply. often i've noticed that when

people come down to visit, after not being around for a while, they

tend to be genuinely impressed by what has been achieved and relieved

to find a group of competant officers and dedicated members at the helm.

to say the forum has gone to s--- is to do nothing more than make

excuses for ones own lack of involvement. the membership and history

have always been the main factors of what makes the forum such a

special place. sure it has its ups and downs. there is petty arguing

and even hurt feelings from time to time, but in the end the forum

always manages to come through whatever ther problem might be.

i'm not going to lie. the forum did have a rough year, but there

were enough dedicated members around to support each other and

the organization (not run away and hide and bitch about all the things

that are wrong with the forum) that most of the problems have been

resolved. next year looks as if it will be a good year and the officers

seem to have alot of potential. eric (1 0 2) has been an active

member all year. adam is new but is already doing shift holder work

and helping out with the forum radio show "faster than light radio"

on monday nights on wusb 90.1fm at 6:30pm (gratuitous advert) and

elana presents herself as a hard working and dedicated member (plus

she has neat hand writing:) )

as far as organizing a 10th anniversary bar-b-q to commemorate

the fire in hendrix in 86, i'll see what i can do. any one who is

interseted in helping should get in touch with me and we'll figure

something out. more info will be posted on this as it developes.

anyway that's all i have to say for now. i just wish people who have

problems with the way things sometimes get to be would come down here

and fight for what they want instead of vanishing. it would really be

better for the forum in the long run.

colleen colleen the gamer queen.....

a*****o@n***.**.******b.edu
08/05/1996 00:00:000 UTC
Eric,

Hi, I'm adam, one of the two new officers you don't seem to have

met yet. I've been watching what's been going on the last few days on this

newsgroup, and at this point I can't sit back and say nothing anymore...

Eric S Roman (e*****n@s********.*****n.org) wrote:

: I would say, maybe, all semester. I remind you that he was part of

: the plan to eradicate "element" from the forum. I've talked to Noel

: about 1 of 2, he's taken responsibilities in the past, but seldom

: takes them seriously. It's only because of my past habit of doing

: this that I didn't run. I think he'll be a good officer at first,

: and then stop doing much. I don't know how the other two officers

: are in terms of responsibility, but that's something that must be

: prioritized to keep good relations with polity. (BTW, how's the

: new room going?)

Eric, This is wrong. This is not constructive, it's a personal

attack at 1 of 2. If you had questions as to his ability to be a

good president, you could have voiced them at any point before or during

nominations, or before the actual elections. Saying that he'll be

a poor officer now is going to do nothing but hurt feelings even more

(you said that some of the officers hurt your feelings in the

past, so you must know how it feels).

Andrew Livathinos
09/05/1996 00:00:000 UTC
Adam J Fabio wrote:

> Eric S Roman (e*****n@s********.*****n.org) wrote:

> : I would say, maybe, all semester. I remind you that he was part of

> : the plan to eradicate "element" from the forum. I've talked to Noel

> : about 1 of 2, he's taken responsibilities in the past, but seldom

> : takes them seriously. It's only because of my past habit of doing

> : this that I didn't run. I think he'll be a good officer at first,

> : and then stop doing much. I don't know how the other two officers

> : are in terms of responsibility, but that's something that must be

> : prioritized to keep good relations with polity. (BTW, how's the

> : new room going?)

> Eric, This is wrong. This is not constructive, it's a personal

> attack at 1 of 2. If you had questions as to his ability to be a

> good president, you could have voiced them at any point before or during

> nominations, or before the actual elections. Saying that he'll be

> a poor officer now is going to do nothing but hurt feelings even more

> (you said that some of the officers hurt your feelings in the

> past, so you must know how it feels).

I have to agree with Adam on this point, and Eric since you were not at

the elections or the nominations you really can't complain who gets in to

office. Plus anyone willing to take or the responsibility should be

given to chance to prove themselves. This kind of personal attack will

not help the Forum. We all have faults, I do, and we have to give

everyone the chance to prove themselves and the respect for trying to

make the Forum a better place.

--

Andrew Livathinos

a******l@**.net

http://www.li.net/~andrewl/

A Member of the HTML Writers Guild

e*****n@s********.*****n.org
08/05/1996 00:00:000 UTC
>to say the forum has gone to s--- is to do nothing more than make

>excuses for ones own lack of involvement. the membership and history

I did not say that to excuse my own inactivity. When I held shift I

did everything that I could. (I never started leveling stacks, I

usually took care of the lounge and returns, leveling the stacks is

going to be a big project, I'm glad they've got started, now we need

summer people to finish.) My "involvement" started because of the

morning problem, no one was opening the forum until 2 or 3 o'clock.

We would come down and the start calling officers to open up the

place and they would REFUSE! That sort of disrespect for the membership

pissed me off. All the efforts I put into my shift were ignored,

I would usually wind up locking up again because no one would show.

Coming down and wathcing four people playing magic on the floor isn't

exactly my idea of fun.

>i'm not going to lie. the forum did have a rough year, but there

>were enough dedicated members around to support each other and

>the organization (not run away and hide and bitch about all the things

>that are wrong with the forum) that most of the problems have been

Bitching about what's wrong with the forum? The officorium has done

very little to address the complaints that were raised. As for

senseless bitching, yes I've done some of that. As for justified

bitching, I think I've done more of that. Not taking the time out to

address my concerns on the grounds that "Well, he doesn't do anything

for the forum anyway" pissed me off. It pissed a lot of us off.

That sort of ad hominem attack does nothing to resolve issues, it

simply hurts feelings.

>resolved. next year looks as if it will be a good year and the officers

>seem to have alot of potential. eric (1 0 2) has been an active

>member all year.

I would say, maybe, all semester. I remind you that he was part of

the plan to eradicate "element" from the forum. I've talked to Noel

about 1 of 2, he's taken responsibilities in the past, but seldom

takes them seriously. It's only because of my past habit of doing

this that I didn't run. I think he'll be a good officer at first,

and then stop doing much. I don't know how the other two officers

are in terms of responsibility, but that's something that must be

prioritized to keep good relations with polity. (BTW, how's the

new room going?)

>adam is new but is already doing shift holder work

>and helping out with the forum radio show "faster than light radio"

>on monday nights on wusb 90.1fm at 6:30pm (gratuitous advert) and

>elana presents herself as a hard working and dedicated member (plus

>she has neat hand writing:) )

I'll have to meet these two. I feel like I've missed this semester.

I have missed this semester actually. Ah, well. I did it with good

reason, I've had too many personal problems to count recently.

>as far as organizing a 10th anniversary bar-b-q to commemorate

>the fire in hendrix in 86, i'll see what i can do. any one who is

>interseted in helping should get in touch with me and we'll figure

>something out. more info will be posted on this as it developes.

Are we allowed to have a barbecue on campus? I wouldn't mind, is

anyone going to be around this summer?

>anyway that's all i have to say for now. i just wish people who have

>problems with the way things sometimes get to be would come down here

>and fight for what they want instead of vanishing. it would really be

>better for the forum in the long run.

Telling us that we have no right to say things, then inviting us to say

them? I'll do my share of fighting next semester. I'm trying to do

recruitment this summer, I need help though. I have no idea who to

talk to. Casey is planning on doing it too. Any volunteers?

Eric (2 of 2)